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ready to vax...a post that ended up a rant:( [Aug. 10th, 2009|05:49 pm]
Delaying Vaccination

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[kaccii]
My son is 20 months. After doing the research, we decided to delay vaccinations and are now ready to start. We moved and found a new doctor. We chose her because from what I read about her, she seemed really breastfeeding-friendly (I tried finding a vax-friendly doc around us, but it seems impossible. Plus, we wanted to get this started and networking, researching at this point will take longer than we'd like...we'll do that after we get settled in and signed up for our new insurance once that starts).

Anyway, we had my son's well-baby appointment today. The nurses and the doc herself looked at me like I was an alien when I told them our son hasn't been vaccinated yet, but that was why we were there, so we could start.

I told the dr. I only wanted one aluminum-containing vaccine at a time. I told her I wasn't interested in the hep B shot at all. She said we would need to come in every 6 weeks to get additional shots (How can they give 6 shots at once, yet you have to wait 6 weeks between shots? even between just 1 or 2?. We talked for about 7 minutes total - not just about vaccines, but about everything. I didn't get a chance to tell her exactly how I felt.

She left and the nurses came back in with 3 or 4 syringes. They said they were giving him 5 vaccines (DTap, hib, pc, MMR, varicella) and were giving us a prescription for polio to take to the Health Department since the only polio shot they have includes hep B.

Since we're new to this, I wasn't aware they were going to just bring in all these shots. I thought we'd be give more information first - info about the side-effects, etc. BEFORE they gave him the shots. Anyway...I said "no." I voiced my concerns to the doctor about the aluminum and the live-virus vaccines (the proceeded to tell us that they took the varicella vaccine out of the freezer and thawed it just for us). She basically said that they can give him the shots we wanted him to have today, but if he didn't get all of them, they wouldn't see him again.

I was so pissed. I'm not good with confrontation. All the reading I've done left me. So the doctor said she would let us think and talk for a while longer. She finally came back and said she would just give us a prescription for all the shots he needs so we can get them done at the Health Department at our own rate. (My husband guessed that after leaving the first time she went to talk with her superior(s) and s/he told her what to do next.)

What gets me: She says "I don't know what's in the vaccines" after I reminded her I only wanted one aluminum-containing vaccine at a time. wtf?!

She said we need 3 HIB and 3 Pc shots; Dr. Sears says after 18 months, all that is needed is 1 shot.

I'm just disgusted at how we were treated - we who educated ourselves and are pro-active in our son's life, ESPECIALLY when it comes to HIS health and his body.

I'm guessing the purpose of this post is to vent. I don't want to get reamed by any friends by posting to my own journal.

Suggestions on how to find a doctor that will respect our wishes? (FWIW, we live in San Angelo, TX, population less-than-100,000 and at least 90 miles from any other "city")

Edited to add: She said my milk didn't have any immunological benefits for a 20-month old, that after he was 6 months, they were gone. (that's my paraphrase of what she said...wtf?!)
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[User Picture]From: theretohere
2009-08-11 12:52 am (UTC)
First- my parents live by San Angelo, and yeah, there's not a lot else there.
Is doing it at your pace at the HD a bad option?
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[User Picture]From: kaccii
2009-08-11 01:57 am (UTC)
I'm thinking the HD might be the best way to go. But I'm confused - she gave us prescriptions for the vaccinations. Will I need this every time? It also doesn't solve the problem of us needing to find a doctor. But I think we can find a family practice doc who will take us all.
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[User Picture]From: lil_irish_lass
2009-08-11 02:35 am (UTC)
I've never heard of needing a prescription for a vaccination.
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[User Picture]From: mamasboo
2009-08-11 01:35 am (UTC)
That is terrible. First off she admits not even knowing what she's injecting children with, she's seriously uneducated in her practice of medicine, she rushes you in and out and makes it all seem like it's about HER instead of your child being healthy and his well being in all areas. What a joke. I'm not close to your city so I'm not sure what to say except maybe ask around on maybe city data.com or somewhere like that that's more localized, or on the Dr Sears website or in the vaccines yahoo group. It is a darn crying shame that you were treated so badly when you are trying to do your best and keep your child's health at heart. Fact to me is that the more doctors and nurses who DON'T know what they are doing proves more and more to me that they can not be blanket trusted with vax's. I think it's all a huge scam, honestly.
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[User Picture]From: mamasboo
2009-08-11 01:36 am (UTC)
Also, I do believe Dr. Hale's site may have more info on the properties in breastmilk. The WHO recommends nursing for 2 years or beyond as you wish. Why would they rec that if it had no benefit? That doctor is off her rocker!
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[User Picture]From: kaccii
2009-08-11 02:09 am (UTC)
and why in the world would they say that children who nurse pase 1 are sick less often than those who don't? I'm still flabbergasted!
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[User Picture]From: kaccii
2009-08-11 02:05 am (UTC)
more doctors and nurses who DON'T know what they are doing proves more and more to me that they can not be blanket trusted with vax's

I feel like I know more than they do just after reading 3 books and all kind of discussions in online communities like this one. I figure those nurses took a class and were required to read one chapter about vaccinations assigned by someone who possibly chose to use that book because s/he gained something from its sale. And they haven't taken it upon themselves to do some research on their own.

It hurts to feel like my son is being punished by these people for having pro-active, concerned parents.
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[User Picture]From: amyura
2009-08-11 01:57 am (UTC)
I'd look on MDC, the Finding Your Tribe forum. You DO get some uber-crunchy wingnuts on some of the other forums, but if you stick to the geographical ones you can get some VERY good info. That doctor sounds like an ass.
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[User Picture]From: kaccii
2009-08-11 02:10 am (UTC)
I'm going to look into this. Thanks!
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[User Picture]From: the_questess
2009-08-11 08:28 am (UTC)
Wow, that doctor needs to update her knowledge of pediatric medicine.

Of course your breastmilk still provides immunological benefits. The 6 months thing is that it continues for 6 months AFTER you stop nursing.


I believe Dr. Sears said it in his book... most doctors don't know anything about vaccines except that they're "really good and recommended" blah blah.
And also that they definitely don't tell you about the side effects first. Why would anyone want to doubt the magical amazing-ness of vaccines?

... And if you compare it to medications... they don't usually tell you about the side effects of those either. Heck, that's another thing doctors don't usually know much about.


I wish you luck in your search.

I would have been totally POed at that doctor and said "fine, we don't want to see YOU again either; in fact, we're going to leave right now."

Gotta love how doctors and a number of other professionals (I usually think of teachers and administrators in schools) think they're god's gift to humanity and do not treat their patients/students/clients as what they are: the paying customer!
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[User Picture]From: andme
2009-08-11 01:53 pm (UTC)
Wrong! wrong! wrong! How frustrating! So many people don't educate themselves about their child's care - it's scary that people trust doctors who don't know anything either.

I really loved the mothering.com forum about vaccinations:

http://www.mothering.com/discussions/forumdisplay.php?f=47

especially the subforum about delayed vaxing:

http://www.mothering.com/discussions/forumdisplay.php?f=373

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[User Picture]From: hapersmion
2009-08-12 02:47 pm (UTC)
That's how our first doctor was too - they did the guilt trip thing of "Oh, we already got these vaccines ready just for you, they'll be wasted if you don't get them!" If they had talked to me, I would have told them I didn't want them. *eyeroll*

Lots of doctor's offices do that, where if you don't get the shots on their schedule they "fire" you. Maybe next time you could try just telling them that you get your shots at the health department, and don't mention the timing? Then doctor's visits will just be for sickness, or well checkups if you do those.

Good job sticking to what you wanted. It doesn't matter if you forget all your research when you're there - you aren't there to convert the doctor to your point of view. So if you come out of it with the shot you wanted and nothing more, you win. :)

Have you tried the Finding Your Tribe section of the forums at mothering.com? You can go to the forum for Texas and ask there, that's how I found our current pediatrician, who doesn't give us any trouble. :)
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[User Picture]From: kaccii
2009-08-13 12:34 am (UTC)
I think we found someone after going to "finding your tribe" on mdc that a previous poster suggested. I'm going to write the doctor a letter, explaining our situation, rather than making an appointment (which will require me taking time off from my new job) right away.
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